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Yes, a game-research question should contain a picture or something..

I had remembered a Demo was on a CD that is dated A to B in Magazine X and the genre as well as setting. So I asked my case. I had managed to wittle it down to about 6 years of the magazine when I asked, I knew the title of the magazine and that it was in it for sure. That's 72 items. The genre (historical strategy) and setting (asia) in combination only have three releases known to Wikipedia in that timeframe. Two of them did decidedly not match the description and indeed I could find the exact CD that had this demo on Archive.org - as well as 2 disks that somehow ended with me and list it as contents.

YES, I should not have asked without a picture or such, but that's not the thing:

Nobody commented, pointed to the relevant rule and nobody is listed as having voted to close.

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THAT is not how good behavior on the stack looks like. You should be FRIENDLY. You should tell people how to improve questions. You should HELP in a way that a question can be answered!

Oh, and on top? I get scolded in chat. So I request the following feature:

Add 250% more niceness to this community!

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    I agree with you that it would be nice to receive a comment from those who vote to close, but I'm afraid not everybody thinks the same way on Arqade. The people who vote without commenting are banking on the fact that you'll recognize that the close notice is your pointer to the relevant rule. Have you tried clicking on the links it gives? – ExpertCoder14 Feb 6 at 17:44
  • "nobody is listed as having voted to close." - If you wanna see who closes something, just replace /questions/xyz/abcd with /posts/xyz/revisions - don't use this to like witch hunt or shame people though – Penguin Feb 7 at 1:57
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    And dude, I really don't mean to be rude, especially on a thread with this title, but looking at the chat history it looks like - from my outside perspective - you were the one getting heated and everyone seemed very polite. You might have just been reading into non-existent tones, because no one "scolded" you. You said something like "there is no warning for the tag" and then someone showed you the warning, you just moved onto something else – Penguin Feb 7 at 5:14
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Game Identification is a tricky category of question. In most cases, the question cannot be improved to become on-topic, even if an answer is found and an artifact is retroactively provided. The best thing we can do in the vast majority of cases is point people to places that do accept these sorts of questions.

I agree with you that a comment with a suggestion of alternate forums to find an answer earlier in the process would have been helpful, but ultimately your question is not on-topic, and if you still needed an answer you may find an answer via one of the resources provided in the Game Identification Wiki.

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    I'd also like to add the addendum that every stack on the Stack Exchange network has a dedicated help center with an article concerning the topics that may be asked about. This page is found on every stack and in our case contains a list of topics that are considered out of scope. I realize that not everyone might know that this page exists and that it's different for every stack, but it is there and there's a reasonable expectation, especially from users who have experience on other stacks, that they have read this page before asking questions. – Nzall Feb 6 at 18:16
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We have a Code of Conduct that spells out kindness, collaboration and mutual respect as the core tenants. If anyone is being rude, the best thing to do is disengage from the conversation, and flag the comment or post so the mod team can take the appropriate actions.

A lack of comments doesn't mean we're being unfriendly

Having no-one leave a comment should not be taken as a sign of unkindness or even unwillingness to help. 5 community members reviewed your question, and the outcome is that the question is not a great fit for our site. But rather than blindly delete the post and be of no help whatsoever - help was provided, in the form of the description in the blue box:

See our Game Identification wiki for more info and for help with your search.

That close reason was written/refined by the community, for two primary reasons:

  1. To impart the best advice our community can give you - either to clarify your question and help you get it reopened and answered, or to forward you to places that can help you better than we can.
  2. To act as a 'macro' for our regular community members, so they don't need to type the same comments again and again and again and again (getting frustrated in the process!).

In fact, when the moderators asked the community what their primary concerns/issues/wants were - improving the close reasons to help more people was the top-voted result.

Providing help

On the Game Identification Wiki, we have this section:

What if you need help finding a game that you remember?

Just because we don't think the questions are a good fit for us doesn't mean we don't want to help!

The advice below may help you gather information useful in your search. Once you have all the information you can muster up, try asking at one of these communities and sites, that take game identification questions based on memory.

Sometimes, the best way we can help is by closing your question - to show why it's a wrong fit for our site, to prompt you to improve it or add additional information, or to give other places you can try which are better suited to help you.

We also try to make this information as prominent as we can, before a question gets asked:

The users who closed

Note that seeing who closed a question is a privilege available at higher reputation point levels, but at the end of the day, who voted to close isn't as important as why the question was closed in the first place. We focus on the content, not the person who wrote it or the people who interacted with it.

If you're after their usernames so you can ask for more info around a closure, well, that's why this site exists: Arqade Meta allows us to go into more detail as to how one might improve a question, or why it might be a bad fit for us. The close voters are welcome, but not required to explain why they voted a certain way.

"Just give me an answer"

You should HELP in a way that a question can be answered!

We're not in the business of feeding Help Vampires. To be clear - we always strive to provide answers to questions - but there are some questions that just aren't a good fit for us. In those cases, the best 'answer' we can give you is that you should refine your question or ask it somewhere else.

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Closing a question is not and should not be taken as an insult. Voting to close is merely saying that the question does not adhere to guidelines or has been asked before.

Take, for example, a question being marked as a duplicate. When something is marked as a duplicate (assuming it was fair) it allows the asker and any readers to be quickly redirected with a link at the top to another question with answers that will solve it. This is not an insult, but a way of helping everyone out.

This closing is merely saying “this is off-topic”. Reading it tells you exactly why and gives you relevant links. While someone can if they want to, no one should be required to write-up their own comment, as it will show anyway in that box.

So basically, treat that as a comment from the system - no one needs to “be nice” because there is nothing else to say, unless that person chooses.

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  • That's tangential to the actual point: downvote, no comment on new member. – Trish Feb 7 at 9:12
  • @Trish this may just be me being stupid, but wdym by "new member"? – Penguin Feb 7 at 9:15
  • I assume the no comment behavior is what is the community standard. Which is extremely worrying. – Trish Feb 7 at 9:20
  • @Trish what "behavior" do you expect? No comment was left behind you said. – Penguin Feb 7 at 17:04
  • Someone who first votes to close for OT should leave a comment about that rule behind. – Trish Feb 7 at 18:13
  • @Trish what benefit does that add? – Penguin Feb 7 at 18:49
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    @Trish There is no real reason to leave a comment when closing for OT beyond alerting the asker. If the OT close reason is one of the community reasons, the reason gets indicated in the close vote window (you can open this without actually issuing a vote). If the OT close reason is a custom reason, it gets added as a comment automatically. – Nzall Feb 8 at 10:00
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    The comments will likely get deleted by some of our more overlord-like mods as it is, so most people aren't inclined to leave them anyway. – Kaizerwolf Feb 8 at 16:22
  • When dealing with people online, I've learnt to not guess at people's tone as you can't see their body language over the Internet. I've also learnt to extract information from what i am given without kicking up a fuss about it. (yes I used to when I was younger.. and that did not lead to a good place for me) – deutschZuid Feb 19 at 2:18

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